Hassan el Yashmid - Page 2

roger1 · February 9th, 2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi Roger Sorry for the mix up in sizes someone else measured them for me....
also no W in COPYRIGHT, hope this helps....Barbara

Hi Barbara,
Thanks for that. I haven't found anything relevant for the Copyright General Supply Co yet. Is this on the actual print next to the artist's name or on the back of the frame?
Where did they buy the prints in 1928 (country)?
Are the frames the originals? Are the backs of the frames sealed?
I purchased mine at auction in England and there is nothing on them except the artist's name.

Roger.

February 15th, 2010, 01:52 PM

Hi Roger ....The copyright name THE GENERAL SUPPLY CO is in the left hand corner and the Artists name on the right side ( us looking at the picture)...

My parents bought both pictures from someone who was short of money, I believe round about the time of their marriage in 1928.

They were definitly bought in the UK either Coventry or Berkshire.

The frames look like the originals, as long as they have been in our family they have hung on the dining room wall. I suppose the next step could be to take the backs off and have a look, what do you think?

Barbara

roger1 · February 16th, 2010, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi Roger ....The copyright name THE GENERAL SUPPLY CO is in the left hand corner and the Artists name on the right side ( us looking at the picture)...

My parents bought both pictures from someone who was short of money, I believe round about the time of their marriage in 1928.

They were definitly bought in the UK either Coventry or Berkshire.

The frames look like the originals, as long as they have been in our family they have hung on the dining room wall. I suppose the next step could be to take the backs off and have a look, what do you think?

Barbara

Hi Barbara, Yes I would take the back cover off and have a look inside. Does the back have a cardboard type cover? Mine were covered in a cardboard sheet which was taped to the frame so easy to cut the edge of the tape with a sharp knife and open. Also mine were a bit loose so I had to open them to fix them up properly. It turned out mine were fixed to the cardboard sheet so after cleaning up the inside of the frame and replacing one pane of glass I replaced and resealed the frames with brown paper and non acidic Kraft paper tape (from artists' supply shops etc) and glazier points (pins) if necessary to hold the card securely. If the back covering is old I would keep this in situ and seal in inside the new covering.
There maybe something written on the back of the picture so worth having a look but be careful not to damge the fabric of the picture.
I like your frames. They are the same as the frame on an original water colour I saw recently by Giovanni Barbaro (desert scene).
Look forward to hearing the outcome.

March 13th, 2010, 11:23 AM

Hi Roger ....Sorry it's taken me ages to get round to looking at the pictures again ... You know what it's like life gets to it's fullest at times,
Anyway I've gotten round to the task at last, and.... disappointment I'm afraid, absolutley nothing to go on...the backs were the actual backs with the picture sealed or glued onto the back plate...Nothing written on the backs or anywhere else at all. So we are back to square one, I don't think we will ever know who the mystery man is, do you?
Best wishes..... Barbara.

roger1 · 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Hi Roger ....Sorry it's taken me ages to get round to looking at the pictures again ... You know what it's like life gets to it's fullest at times,
Anyway I've gotten round to the task at last, and.... disappointment I'm afraid, absolutley nothing to go on...the backs were the actual backs with the picture sealed or glued onto the back plate...Nothing written on the backs or anywhere else at all. So we are back to square one, I don't think we will ever know who the mystery man is, do you?
Best wishes..... Barbara.

Hi Barbara, OK, it seems we are all in the same boat. Mine are the same, glued onto the backboard. However, I have come up with some interesting info : Looking thru Google I came across a reference to Hassan which wasn't there the last time I searched. It was from the Fine impressions Gallery in the US offering "watercolours" by Hassan el Yashmid. I emailed them and they replied with the following :

Roger, attached are the images for these two paintings. Number 07101 is the Arab (?) figure on a camel overlooking the water; 07903 is the figure on a camel near the city.

Carol

FINE IMPRESSIONS GALLERY

Serving the Northwest art community since 1981

Antique and contemporary works on paper

Professional framing services

Tues-Fri 11-6, Sat 11-5, or by appointment

206-784-5270

www.fineimpressionsgallery.com

Sorry for the delay in responding to your questions. Yes, we will have them photographed and send you an email. They are wonderful classic tourist images of an Arab (?) on a camel scanning a horizon of palm trees and white buildings. They are from the early 20th century, with vivid watercolor or gouache on paper. Unfortunately, they are mounted on acid board and have some foxing and other spots. I am not sure if they could be cleaned, since they do look like gouache. I will ask our paper conservator her opinion.

We should have the images for you tomorrow.

Thank you for your interest,

Carol

I'm attaching the two pictures which are very interesting and appear to be originals.

Looking at the pictures you can see the foxing and as Carol says they are mounted on acid board which has probably caused the problem. She seems to be sure they are originals either w/c or gouache. The signature can be seen. It may be possible to get some more info from Carol although she is obviously trying to sell them. But we now have a bigger collection of Hassan's works than previously and surely there must be some reference to him somewhere having produced such brilliant and attractive paintings although at that time the arabian themes were very popular. I'll try and get more info.
All the best. Roger.

I have just looked at the gallery's inventory and they have listed Hassan as Middle East 1900 sizes 17.5 X 9.5 for the first and 18 X 10.5 for the second. The price is $125.- each. These sizes are smaller than mine.

March 19th, 2010, 08:26 AM

Well done Roger........These prints are so much brighter than mine it just shows how faded mine are.......I await any more info ....
Thanks Barbara

roger1 · March 20th, 2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Well done Roger........These prints are so much brighter than mine it just shows how faded mine are.......I await any more info ....
Thanks Barbara

Oh, I think yours look very bright. Perhaps you are just used to looking at them!
It seems funny to me that the gallery says they are original watercolour or gouache and yet they are still mounted on acid board which is the same set-up as our prints. Would an original w/c be pasted onto a board? I don't think that is normal practice. Usually the board would be loose behind the painting but then the foxing is typical of an old original painting. It would be nice to actually see these two paintings but I'm not planning to travel to Seattle in the near future!
Do any of our readers live in Seattle and able to visit the gallery for a look?

roger1 · April 3rd, 2010, 03:49 AM

Here are two more watercolours by Hassan which complement each other probably showing opposite sides of a square or courtyard outside the soukh.

steve j davies · May 3rd, 2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara

I also have 2 very fine prints of Hassan el Yashmid ...THE TICRUS NR KURNA, which is a man on a camel talking to a man sitting on a rock under a palm tree....Also ... THE NILE NR KANTRARA, which is a man walking a camel with a lady riding, in both pictures there is a small shop, selling fruit with the pyamids in the background. These pictures are both in the origanal frames which are black.
They were my parents prints bought by them in 1928 when they married, they have been hanging all these years in our family dining room, and I would love to know more about the artist and if the pictures have any value attached to the them. .......Barbara

Hi Have exact same prints came from my mothering law she is 82 and remebers them from her mothers house these also have supplyers name as General Supply Co.

May 6th, 2010, 11:33 AM

Hi Steve, Are these prints in the same black frames as posted by Barbara? Was this in UK?

September 19th, 2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by roger1

Does anyone know of an artist Hassan el Yashmid or anything about him?
Several of his paintings, Arabian scene water colours, are available in prints. I guess he was active in the early 1900's.

yes you are correct he was active in the 1900s and he was born in egypt

roger1 · September 21st, 2010, 03:18 AM

Are you sure about his nationality as I have been informed that he was Moroccan? Where did you obtain the information about his nationality? Do you have any more info about him? I would be very interested to know anything about him. Thanks for your reply.

roger1 · 10:44 AM

Carolann, Have obtained what appears to be the same two prints of yours from my local auction house. They are both mounted on matching boards with glass and hanging chain. One glass was cracked which I am replacing. Both pictures are clean, bright and undamaged. Both have Hassan el Yashmid signature on bottom left in case of the Bay view and bottom right in case of orange basket. They are described as being different scenes of the same subject area which appears to be on the bank of the River Nile circa 1910. I am attaching photos of the pictures.

roger1 · November 15th, 2010, 10:50 AM

Uploading copies of signature

phil · November 24th, 2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by roger1

Carolann, Have obtained what appears to be the same two prints of yours from my local auction house. They are both mounted on matching boards with glass and hanging chain. One glass was cracked which I am replacing. Both pictures are clean, bright and undamaged. Both have Hassan el Yashmid signature on bottom left in case of the Bay view and bottom right in case of orange basket. They are described as being different scenes of the same subject area which appears to be on the bank of the River Nile circa 1910. I am attaching photos of the pictures.

Whilst browsing I came accross your comment re the two pictures purchased in auction.I have the exact two prints in the same mountings.My father was a radio operator in the merchant navy and he purchased them in the late 1920's.Small world.

roger1 · November 24th, 2010, 02:35 PM

Hi Phil,
It's an even smaller world than you think - I was a radio operator in the merchant navy and spent many happy weeks in the Persian Gulf / Mid East. I can remember seeing these paintings for sale in the souks and they bring back memories of happier days compared to the present situation. Did your father say where he purchased them? Do you know which company he worked for - was it Marconi Co or did he work directly for the shipping company?
I guess these paintings by Hassan el Yashmid were very popular in the Arab world in the early 1900's and some enterprising company marketed the prints in the basic mode that we both possess. I'm very pleased to have them.
I suspect that Hassan el Yashmid is a pseudonym for Giovanni Barbaro aka Arthur Dudley although I do not yet have proof of this.
I will be very pleased to hear anything else about your pictures or relating to them or your father.
Thanks for making contact.

roger1 · November 25th, 2010, 10:29 AM

This is another Arabian scene, oil on board, in the style of Hassan el Yashmid, but unsigned. A contemplative aspect as typical of his works.

ishtariya · December 5th, 2010, 02:32 PM

Hi,

I was asked by Roger1 here

http://www.artconversation.com/quest...n-baghdad.html

if I know anything about Hassan el Yashmid.

Being an Iraqi, I can say that el Yashmid is not a known family name in Iraq or Egypt, as he had painted two pictures one in Iraq , the other in Egypt.

The Iraqi paintings "Ticrus Nr Kurna" meaning "River Tigris Near Kurna" in the south of Iraq. The other is Nile NR KANTRARA depicts Egypt.

I would ask if he had written his name in English, in this case he might not be an Iraqi or an Arab, otherwise he would have written it in Arabic.

The fact that the name of Tigris is written Ticrus, means that the artist is not English. We must look at what nation and in what language Tigris is called Ticrus. Also, traditionally, we, as Arabs, write the words Kurna and Kantara with Q instead of K. In the photos of the paintings supplied here, the palm trees are not the kinds found in Iraq or Egypt. They look different. Also, the two paintings look strangely identical, with few alterations, considering that one of them depicts Iraqi scene and the other Egyptian one.

roger1 · December 6th, 2010, 06:45 AM

Hi Ishtariya,
Thanks for your reply.
This is all very interesting. Being an Iraqi, I can take you as an authority on this issue.
Regarding the "Ticrus nr Kurna" I cannot confirm this spelling as this was posted by another correspondent and I have not seen the actual pictures and the inscription on the frames. It could be a mistake in the spelling if there is no trace of "Ticrus".
Regarding the signature on the pictures I can confirm they are written in English. Please see the signatures on this link -

http://www.artconversation.com/attac...g?d=1289836181

As I have said in my previous posts I do suspect that Hassan el Yashmid could be another pseudonym for Arthur Dudley aka Giovanni Barbaro as the styles are all very similar. Your comments would tend to support the suspicion that he is not an Arab. Regarding the palm trees, where do you think these would be found - are you ruling out the Middle East in general?
What do you think about the palm tree in the painting I posted on November 25th 2010? Is this of Iraqi/Egyptian species?
Are you familiar with the paintings of Arthur Dudley/ Giovanni Barbaro? I would be very interested to hear your comments regarding his Arabian(?) desert and street scenes.
Thanks again for your reply.

Roger.

roger1 · 01:55 PM

Here is another link to a Hassan el Yashmid framed print sold at a Nevada auction last year :
http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.a...enum=1&lang=En

February 15th, 2010, 01:52 PM	#22
Unregistered Posts: n/a	hassan el yashmid Hi Roger ....The copyright name THE GENERAL SUPPLY CO is in the left hand corner and the Artists name on the right side ( us looking at the picture)... My parents bought both pictures from someone who was short of money, I believe round about the time of their marriage in 1928. They were definitly bought in the UK either Coventry or Berkshire. The frames look like the originals, as long as they have been in our family they have hung on the dining room wall. I suppose the next step could be to take the backs off and have a look, what do you think? Barbara

March 13th, 2010, 11:23 AM	#24
Unregistered Posts: n/a	Hassan el Yashmid Hi Roger ....Sorry it's taken me ages to get round to looking at the pictures again ... You know what it's like life gets to it's fullest at times, Anyway I've gotten round to the task at last, and.... disappointment I'm afraid, absolutley nothing to go on...the backs were the actual backs with the picture sealed or glued onto the back plate...Nothing written on the backs or anywhere else at all. So we are back to square one, I don't think we will ever know who the mystery man is, do you? Best wishes..... Barbara.

March 19th, 2010, 08:26 AM	#26
Unregistered Posts: n/a	Hassan el Yashmid Well done Roger........These prints are so much brighter than mine it just shows how faded mine are.......I await any more info .... Thanks Barbara

May 6th, 2010, 11:33 AM	#30
Unregistered Posts: n/a	el Yashmid Hi Steve, Are these prints in the same black frames as posted by Barbara? Was this in UK?

December 5th, 2010, 02:32 PM	#38
ishtariya Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3	Hassan el Yashmid Hi, I was asked by Roger1 here http://www.artconversation.com/quest...n-baghdad.html if I know anything about Hassan el Yashmid. Being an Iraqi, I can say that el Yashmid is not a known family name in Iraq or Egypt, as he had painted two pictures one in Iraq , the other in Egypt. The Iraqi paintings "Ticrus Nr Kurna" meaning "River Tigris Near Kurna" in the south of Iraq. The other is Nile NR KANTRARA depicts Egypt. I would ask if he had written his name in English, in this case he might not be an Iraqi or an Arab, otherwise he would have written it in Arabic. The fact that the name of Tigris is written Ticrus, means that the artist is not English. We must look at what nation and in what language Tigris is called Ticrus. Also, traditionally, we, as Arabs, write the words Kurna and Kantara with Q instead of K. In the photos of the paintings supplied here, the palm trees are not the kinds found in Iraq or Egypt. They look different. Also, the two paintings look strangely identical, with few alterations, considering that one of them depicts Iraqi scene and the other Egyptian one.

September 21st, 2010, 03:18 AM	#32
roger1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 163	Are you sure about his nationality as I have been informed that he was Moroccan? Where did you obtain the information about his nationality? Do you have any more info about him? I would be very interested to know anything about him. Thanks for your reply.

November 24th, 2010, 02:35 PM	#36
roger1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 163	Hi Phil, It's an even smaller world than you think - I was a radio operator in the merchant navy and spent many happy weeks in the Persian Gulf / Mid East. I can remember seeing these paintings for sale in the souks and they bring back memories of happier days compared to the present situation. Did your father say where he purchased them? Do you know which company he worked for - was it Marconi Co or did he work directly for the shipping company? I guess these paintings by Hassan el Yashmid were very popular in the Arab world in the early 1900's and some enterprising company marketed the prints in the basic mode that we both possess. I'm very pleased to have them. I suspect that Hassan el Yashmid is a pseudonym for Giovanni Barbaro aka Arthur Dudley although I do not yet have proof of this. I will be very pleased to hear anything else about your pictures or relating to them or your father. Thanks for making contact.

December 6th, 2010, 06:45 AM	#39
roger1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 163	Hi Ishtariya, Thanks for your reply. This is all very interesting. Being an Iraqi, I can take you as an authority on this issue. Regarding the "Ticrus nr Kurna" I cannot confirm this spelling as this was posted by another correspondent and I have not seen the actual pictures and the inscription on the frames. It could be a mistake in the spelling if there is no trace of "Ticrus". Regarding the signature on the pictures I can confirm they are written in English. Please see the signatures on this link - http://www.artconversation.com/attac...g?d=1289836181 As I have said in my previous posts I do suspect that Hassan el Yashmid could be another pseudonym for Arthur Dudley aka Giovanni Barbaro as the styles are all very similar. Your comments would tend to support the suspicion that he is not an Arab. Regarding the palm trees, where do you think these would be found - are you ruling out the Middle East in general? What do you think about the palm tree in the painting I posted on November 25th 2010? Is this of Iraqi/Egyptian species? Are you familiar with the paintings of Arthur Dudley/ Giovanni Barbaro? I would be very interested to hear your comments regarding his Arabian(?) desert and street scenes. Thanks again for your reply. Roger.

January 15th, 2011, 01:43 PM	#40
roger1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 163	Here is another link to a Hassan el Yashmid framed print sold at a Nevada auction last year : http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.a...enum=1&lang=En Last edited by roger1 : January 15th, 2011 at 01:55 PM.

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