ArtConversation  

Go Back   ArtConversation > Questions
User Name
Password

Questions     Ask the community for answers or help here.

    H. Tirolf

 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old July 25th, 2009, 02:25 PM   #1
Phillips
 
Posts: n/a
Default H. Tirolf

If anyone has heard of an artist "H. Tirolf" I certainly would appreciate any help you can provide. I have a large landscape painting by him. I could find only one website, "http://drjamescapers.net/store2/product_info.php?products_id=50" that showed a painting very very similar to mine. It sold for $130,000. Can't find anything online or at the library on him. The website I saw the picture in said it was painted in 1901. Thanks for any help.
  Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2009, 01:53 AM   #2
John
John Malyon, host
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,251
Default

Maybe that's the asking price. I find it hard to believe anyone has paid that much for an unknown artist.
  Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2009, 03:29 PM   #3
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default H Tirolf

I to have a Large painting by H. Tirolf that i inherited from my grandmother. The Temple of devine Prophecy had one on there auction but would not give me any info on it because it had been sold. The only info I have ever read on the internet said he was from amsterdam I dont know if this is true or not. Good Luck finding any info I have been unable to and I have contacted a few museums and auction houses. Please post your findings if you have any.
  Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2009, 02:11 PM   #4
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default H Tirolf

That wasn't the asking price! That's what it sold for. Check the site.
  Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2009, 02:14 PM   #5
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John
Maybe that's the asking price. I find it hard to believe anyone has paid that much for an unknown artist.



That wasn't the asking price! That's what it sold for!
  Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2009, 09:56 PM   #6
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Smile Mrs christine

Our family also have a large beautiful landscape of the Four Seasons painted by the same artist...purchased by my father years and years ago ( 1960s?)at an art fair in Christchurch..dont know if that helps or not
  Reply With Quote
Old September 22nd, 2009, 11:15 PM   #7
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default Hi

I can't find anything either.

Your sister
  Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2009, 12:12 PM   #8
rebeccawallace
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1
Default h. tirolf artist

hi i just saw your post re: h. tirolf i, too, have a large oil painting, signed by him. is that the sale price, the 130,000 i tried to call that number months ago and i spoke with the man there and he advised that he was asking $150,000

any information will be greatly appreciated

thanks

rebecca wallace
  Reply With Quote
Old October 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM   #9
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default artist h. tirolf

i, too, have a painting by h. tirolf can anyone authenticate that painting sold for $130,000 i know the website says that it sold for this amount, but just curious if it has been authenticated

thanks rebecca wallace
  Reply With Quote
Old October 4th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #10
Eirene
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,104
Default

Well there is a Fall Scene by H.Tirolf on e-bay for $34.99 hallmarked Artistic Interiors, Inc which are ceiling scrapers. http://www.ceilingscraper.com/

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vntg-Oil-On-Canvas-Painting-Fall-Lake-Scene-By-H-Tirolf_W0QQitemZ390091554528QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt _Paintings?hash=item5ad344bee0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m1 4

I tend to agree with John here and think that anyone paying that kind of money for a painting by an unknown artist and one of this quality is off their rocker.

[Deleted by moderator. Sorry, Eirene, let's just say that people can take a look at these sites and draw their own conclusions as to Capers' credibility.]

http://www.drjamescapers.net/

https://www.createspace.com/Store/Sh....jsp?id=225536

Last edited by Eirene : October 4th, 2009 at 04:29 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old October 5th, 2009, 09:30 PM   #11
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Question Greeetings!

Hi Eirene,
I have just registered today and I have been looking at the posts and threads for H. Tirolf.(just browsing). I find your thread here, very interesting. Have looked at Capers website and.........drawn my own conclusions!
There is such a wealth of experience and knowledge on this wonderful Art website and I am looking forward to sharing in it further.
John Malyon recommended I join as I had asked him about a French painter, Edouard Mandon. Would you happen to know anything about him?
I have an Original 1950's print of "Song of the Surf" by him.
Nice to access your post.
AnnArttree.
  Reply With Quote
Old October 6th, 2009, 12:34 AM   #12
Eirene
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,104
Default

Sorry John..I got a wee bit carried away with that one...was a play on the meaning of Capers. I sometimes forget the rules.
BTW..I knew you were going to say that!
----------
Annarttree;

There doesn't seem to be all that much info out there regarding Edouard Mandon. Marine painter - Born in France. Perhaps one of the European members here would know more.

This is about all I could find with a quick search.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Us...Edouard_Mandon

Some auction results -
http://www.artinfo.com/artists/upcom...douard-mandon/

I will take another look tomorrow.

Regards,
Eirene

Last edited by Eirene : October 6th, 2009 at 12:36 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old October 6th, 2009, 03:03 AM   #13
Arttree
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Gippsland, Vic, Australia
Posts: 1
Default

Thanks Eirene.
Have looked at the websites you quoted.
Maybe a trip to France to track down some info??
Cheers,
Arttree.
  Reply With Quote
Old October 17th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #14
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Unhappy h tirolf

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
That wasn't the asking price! That's what it sold for. Check the site.

But why would anyone pay $130000 for a painting by an unknown artist? I have to say though that the paintings are superb.
  Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2009, 04:39 AM   #15
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default On the Question of H. Tirolf...

There appear to be two artists working under the name "H. Tirolf." One is the artist first mentioned, known to have been working in Europe from the late 19th to the early 20th C. The other is the artist mentioned, the one being sold on eBay, are paintings produced to take advantage of the confusion. These paintings were done in a somewhat similar, rip-off style as the original artist, but were painted in the mid-20th C. and sold exclusively through stock art houses to motels and businesses (and at motel sales to the public). If you have a painting that you believe to be from the original H. Tirolf, one cannot comment on value until a real auction record is formed, although it should be noted that he was, indeed, a very good artist. If you have one that is in a cheap 1950s- 70s frame, though, then you can figure it is worth between $25- $75, depending on size and quality of the work. (You can tell the frame is modern as it will almost certainly have been made in Mexico, and so will likely have the word "Hecho" imprinted somewhere on the back.)

If you see someone selling one of these paintings, as the signatures tend to be pretty similar to keep the confusion high, a strong clue as to which artist they have (besides actual style) is that the seller will usually call an antique an antique, and the modern piece will very likely be referred to as being "vintage."

This is the same sort of thing that was done to the work of American artist, G. Whitman. His originals are quite beautiful and some may be of great value, but the stock house renditions are so low-grade art, they have made collecting his work almost impossible for the average buyer.
  Reply With Quote
Old November 29th, 2009, 07:43 PM   #16
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default h tirolf

Yes there two triolf's apparently the one you mention in the late 1900's-early 20th century was the father of the recent h tirolf. H Tirolf comes from Amsterdam where his father was a famous portrait and landscape artist. H tirolf studied in Basel Switzerland and exhitbited in Europe. I have had it said to me that this H Tirolf that people are trying to find out about is only a street artist. I am not sure I believe that. I have one of his paintings and it is surely very well done. The confusing thing I find is that when there is a picture of his to be seen it is from the same area only at different angles leading to suggest that perhaps he is only a street painter. I have bought the one sold in USA on ebay. It will be interesting to see the two pictures together. I am sceptical about the painting sold be jamescaper. The name itself cunjures up so must mistrust to be believable. This artist was supposed to have been born in 1933 so theorectically he could still be alive. If he is I wish he would come forward and let people know if he is only a street painter or a serious artist.
  Reply With Quote
Old February 4th, 2010, 07:07 AM   #17
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default

in reply to your previous correspondense i was just curious as to how much you paid for your Tirolf painting that you purchased on e bay?
  Reply With Quote
Old February 26th, 2010, 08:28 AM   #18
Unregistered
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hello, I have a H. Tirolf painting myself ( fake or not ) I bought it in the seventies! It`s a beautifull landscape size 60 by 90 cm with signiture on the
left!
  Reply With Quote
Old February 26th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #19
Ravenhill
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 9
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
If he is I wish he would come forward and let people know if he is only a street painter or a serious artist.

Even street painters are serious. Sometimes they are VERY serious.

Another way to determine which kind you have would be to look at the way the canvas is on its framework. Staples are more modern. The type and quality of the wood used on the stretcher can also give some clue as to when and where it was done.

Art is subjective, so if someone wants to pay that much for an unknown artist, they can. Perhaps they had inside information, or maybe the buyer had been looking for this piece for personal reasons.
  Reply With Quote
Old April 26th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #20
Rob
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I also have one of these paintings... Size: 16" X 12" with the made in Mexico frame. It was bought in the early 80's. Beautiful lake style landscape. This artist sure did a good job with this painting.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 2.3.2 © 2005, Crawlability, Inc.