pattik

I need help in identifing a BR mark on a 17th century hand painted engraving by Nicolas Robert. It is a botanical in an urn and at the bottom of the urn there is an oval with BR and a crown above the letters. I can email a picture if anyone is interested in helping me. The bottom by the urn reads on the left side" N. Robert del .et sculp. and on the right auec. privilege du Roy 16?7. I know all about this artist but don't know what this BR mark is. It also has a # 4 which I believe might be the number of the plate/engraving. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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the date is 1673

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the date is 1673 i have one with a mirror on the back

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Can someone tell me, what does del et sculp mean? I realize it's French. I have, what I believe is an engraving, by the same artist. One side says "N Robert del et sculp. The other side says avec privil de Roy 1673. I understand that this is with the endorsement of the King. What does del et sculp mean and is this an engraving? Thanks so much!

michaelc

Hi Pattik, I found you when I looked for info on two engravings I just bought. I googles 'avec prinil du roy 1683' and found the site for 'engravings given to Harvard' but that was not helpful. Both of mine are florals in pots [different florals, different containers], but the text on either side seems identical. Mine are pasted to a board with glass in front and a slim piece of brochade going around all sides serving as a frame. They are hung from a gilt cord that emerges from the back-board. So far that's all I have but if I find anything more I'll let you know. Michael

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Hi, can anyone help me find out some info on this picture I have by this artist.
It is probally a 5x7 size of an urn with flowers in it and some strange looking faces on the urn. One side says "N Robert del et sculp. The other side says avec privil de Roy 1673.
I was going to throw this out one day and thought I should possibly look into what it is about.
I got this in a box of stuff at an auction.
Thanks for any information.

qladyann

i have 2 flowers ,,,1 has a [R&R or B&R],,,it has a 4 on it,,they came crome the houes of david,,,

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The translation is "printer and engraver" your art with out seeing it could be
hand-colored copper-plate engravings from a suite of artworks entitled "Diverses Des Fleurs Dessinees et Gravees d' Apres le Natural" or "Recueil Des Fleurs"
Meaning ruffly "Various Flowers designed by or After Natural" and Collection Of flowers"

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have you had a reply about n.b.sculp as we have some thing with the sinings on

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Hey all!
I have these two paintings by N. Robert del et sculp. I bought these not too long ago for about $200 dollars and I was just wondering if that was a fair price to pay.
They are both wood paintings with the painting right on the wood and framed in wood. The dimensions are 11" by 14". They are both of urns with exotic flowers in them. On the first on the urn has a face on it and the second urn has leaves and dots on it. The writing on it says N. Robert del et sculp and then says "avec privil de Roy 1673".
If anybody has any information on these paintings or any suggestions where to find information on them, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks

saintmarc

Hi Everibody
Del= the latin word Delineavit (drawn by or more exactly "Name of the artist has drawn that"
Sculp = Idem Sculpsit
Sometimes we can find "Exec" = Execudebat for "Done" (that often means "printed by)

Artful Dodger

As for all the questions asked in this thread, first of all, the question about the "B. R" mark with the crown sitting above it. The use of such markings is long in the history of Britain and most other countries, and is simply the British royalty's way of assuring the purchaser "consistency in capacity," or common equality in the standards by which an item is produced. In printing, such a mark means that the government is assuring you that the plate your engraving was printed from is exactly what it says it is, and that it is not a later or lesser quality copy. If a king held the crown at the time the item was produced, then you will see a king's crown. If a queen held the crown, then you'd be seeing a queen's crown, instead. Such mark's are found on anything from engravings to guns, pretty much anything that requires metalworking of one kind or another.

As for the questions on the Nicolas Roberts engravings, such markings are common, and are usually written either in Latin or in French. As found, "...avec priv del roy..." (sometimes written as "...avec priv del roi...") means exactly what it seems to imply, "...with the privilege (permission) of the king..." We see the same sort of marks today anytime we buy something that bears the Queen's royal seal. Indeed, the above discussed "B.R.," with its crown, is a way of saying the same thing, only with the easier stamped mark. It means that the items falls under a special set of quality codes, which implies that any item you have that bears such language or stamp or seal is of a better quality for having met these additional standards.

The following are the most commonly found terms used in the art of engraving:


Ad vevum: from life

After: means that the work is not an original but is based upon that of another artist.

Cum privilegio or cum priv.: with permission

Delineavit, delin., deli., or del.: drew or drawn

Excudit, exc., or ex.: published

Fecit, ft., fee., fe., f., or faciebat (rarely used due its imperfect conjunction): made it (while this is not a rock-solid assurance that what you have is an original, it usually does mean so, unless you find something else that contradicts this)

Fecit aqua forti: made it in etching

Imp.: printed impression

Invenii, inve., inv., or in.: invented

Lithog., lithio., or litli.: lithograph

Pinxit, pinx., pin., p., or pingebat: painted

Sculpsit, sculps., sculp., sc., or sculpebat: engraved

State: means that a change has been made to the print or printing plate by the artist since any previous round of printing was taken.

Trial Proof (t/p) or Artist's Proof (a/p): test print taken during a run of printing which allows the artist to inspect the quality of the impression; several should and likely will be taken during any run.