Ben Marshall Painting

June 15th, 2010, 03:42 PM

I have an old painting on wood of a jockey atop a racehorse. Written in large letters it says - "Sir Joshua & Ben Marshall 1817 1000 Soveriegns-Newmarket". I have researched all I can. Joshua Reynolds & Ben Marshall had nothing to do with one another as far as I can tell. Ben Marshall did live in Newmarket in 1817. It doesn't show up in any collections of Ben Marshall. Please help.

John · June 15th, 2010, 06:24 PM

Does is say "Sir Joshua Reynolds" or "Sir Joshua"? Joshua Reynolds died in 1792.

June 15th, 2010, 06:54 PM

I'm quoting it, "Sir Joshua & Ben Marshall 1817". Below that: "1000 Soveriegns-Newmarket". "Sir Joshua" is written larger than the other print. "Ben Marshall" is written the smallest. I can't make the connection between Joshua & Ben.

Hercules Brabazon · 07:49 PM

There's a mezzotint of a horse called "Sir Joshua", after a painting by Ben Marshall on this page:

http://www.intaglio-fine-art.com/pri...portraits.html

(You have to scroll down a bit.)

Marshall also did a painting called 'The Match between Sir Joshua and Filho da Puta at Newmarket, 1816'.

From the New Monthly Magazine 1817:

The celebrated race-horse Sir Joshua, the property of the Hon. Mr Neville, was found dead in his stable, at Newmarket on the morning of the 8th instant.. This was the colt that beat the famous Filho da Pura, a match for 1000 guineas a side, last spring at Newmarket; where in the preceding spring, he won the great Riddlesworth stakes, amounting to 2600 guineas, being the first of his running in public.

June 15th, 2010, 08:47 PM

I guess you could say the horse in my painting looks like sir joshua in the link you provided. However, the jockeys don't resemble each other except that their uniforms are of the same colors. My horse's tail is long. I noticed most other paintings show them with bobbed tails. But mine does have the trademark small head as most oyhers. Since sir joshua died in 1817, could this be a memorial or tribute? But, why on wood?

John · June 16th, 2010, 12:21 AM

Even if it looks like an ampersand ("&"), my guess is that the title/subject is Sir Joshua the racehorse and the painter is Ben Marshall and the occasion is the horse's winning of the "1000 Sovereigns" race at Newmarket in 1817.

In other words, this was celebrating a different race from the one in Hercules' link.

You can check findartinfo.com and artinfo.com for some sample auction results. Marshal's paintings can be quite collectible, so if this one seems authentic you should seek out a gallery that has expertise in the genre of British "sporting pictures".

June 15th, 2010, 03:42 PM	#1
bigbadmaddog Posts: n/a	Ben Marshall Painting I have an old painting on wood of a jockey atop a racehorse. Written in large letters it says - "Sir Joshua & Ben Marshall 1817 1000 Soveriegns-Newmarket". I have researched all I can. Joshua Reynolds & Ben Marshall had nothing to do with one another as far as I can tell. Ben Marshall did live in Newmarket in 1817. It doesn't show up in any collections of Ben Marshall. Please help.

June 15th, 2010, 07:27 PM	#4
Hercules Brabazon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 118	There's a mezzotint of a horse called "Sir Joshua", after a painting by Ben Marshall on this page: http://www.intaglio-fine-art.com/pri...portraits.html (You have to scroll down a bit.) Marshall also did a painting called 'The Match between Sir Joshua and Filho da Puta at Newmarket, 1816'. From the New Monthly Magazine 1817: The celebrated race-horse Sir Joshua, the property of the Hon. Mr Neville, was found dead in his stable, at Newmarket on the morning of the 8th instant.. This was the colt that beat the famous Filho da Pura, a match for 1000 guineas a side, last spring at Newmarket; where in the preceding spring, he won the great Riddlesworth stakes, amounting to 2600 guineas, being the first of his running in public. Last edited by Hercules Brabazon : June 15th, 2010 at 07:49 PM.

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June 15th, 2010, 06:24 PM	#2
John John Malyon, host Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,401	Does is say "Sir Joshua Reynolds" or "Sir Joshua"? Joshua Reynolds died in 1792.

June 15th, 2010, 06:54 PM	#3
bigbadmaddog Posts: n/a	I'm quoting it, "Sir Joshua & Ben Marshall 1817". Below that: "1000 Soveriegns-Newmarket". "Sir Joshua" is written larger than the other print. "Ben Marshall" is written the smallest. I can't make the connection between Joshua & Ben.

June 15th, 2010, 08:47 PM	#5
bigbadmaddog Posts: n/a	I guess you could say the horse in my painting looks like sir joshua in the link you provided. However, the jockeys don't resemble each other except that their uniforms are of the same colors. My horse's tail is long. I noticed most other paintings show them with bobbed tails. But mine does have the trademark small head as most oyhers. Since sir joshua died in 1817, could this be a memorial or tribute? But, why on wood?

June 16th, 2010, 12:21 AM	#6
John John Malyon, host Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,401	Even if it looks like an ampersand ("&"), my guess is that the title/subject is Sir Joshua the racehorse and the painter is Ben Marshall and the occasion is the horse's winning of the "1000 Sovereigns" race at Newmarket in 1817. In other words, this was celebrating a different race from the one in Hercules' link. You can check findartinfo.com and artinfo.com for some sample auction results. Marshal's paintings can be quite collectible, so if this one seems authentic you should seek out a gallery that has expertise in the genre of British "sporting pictures".